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Fenugreek for supply issues

Monday, July 21st, 2008

I have 2/3 of a bottle of fenugreek supplements in my bathroom closet leftover from when Sam was a baby and my milk was slow to come in. In retrospect, I had no idea of what I was doing and just took the 1 to 2 recommended dosage on the bottle instead of the 6 or more recommended on kellymom. I’ve seen several questions about fenugreek on the baby message board I frequent and saw this interesting post by a woman from India.

I’m from India, and we use fenugreek as a standard ingredient in our diet. I’ve seen a lot of questions and some strange opinions and information about fenugreek supplements on this board, so I thought I’d write a post about what I know.

FYI, I had a pretty low supply of breast milk (my SS did not latch on AT ALL for 2 weeks, which pretty much killed my initial supply), but I have managed to correct by taking fenugreek seeds.

Fenugreek is very easily available in ethnic food stores that sell Indian or Pakistani foods. The native name for fenugreek is “METHI” (pronounced MAY-thi), so that may be what it says on the pack of seeds or box of dried leaves. It costs about $3 for more than a month’s supply of seeds in upstate NY.

I soak one tsp of fenugreek seeds in abut 2 tbsps of water for a few hours, and then swallow the whole thing with a full glass of water (it’s important to swallow the water the seeds have been soaking in also). I do this three times a day. Every time I swallow one batch of seeds, I soak the next batch to be swallowed later.

Fenugreek leaves are also pretty good, but not as effective as the seeds. Both fresh and dried leaves have produced similar results for me, I don’t think there is a difference. Fresh leaves don’t need to be cooked (though it’s fine if you do cook them), but the dried ones definitely do. Fenugreek leaves are a great flavoring agent - very aromatic, a “good” sort of bitter taste - and can be added to pretty much anything. Use about one tablespoon of dried leaves or three tablespoons of minced fresh leaves per serving, or you can use more for a stronger flavor. Add it to salads, pasta, rice, ground beef, veggies… it’s very versatile.

There is no way to take an overdose of fenugreek, unless you truly gorge on it, I suppose, eating 3-4 cups of seeds in a day, or perhaps eating 2-3 quarts of fresh leaves in a day. I cannot stress this enough: THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN TAKE AN OVERDOSE. I’ve seen my milk supply increase when I take 4 or 5 teaspoons a day instead of 3. I would not advise you to take TOO much, because constant engorgement might cause mastitis, and that’s more trouble than the extra milk is worth. But if you weren’t nursing, there would be no danger in eating lots of fenugreek, a lot more than what’s in your typical supplement.

Side effects vary depending on people. In India, swallowing a teaspoon of the unsoaked seeds with a glass of buttermilk is a traditional remedy for diarrhoea… most people are careful not to eat more than 1-2 cups of fenugreek seeds in a day (we use it in curries) because it causes constipation. But I’ve seen fenugreek supplement bottles warn that the supplements may CAUSE diarrhoea. I myself seem to be pretty immune to both diarrhoea and constipation, so I don’t have any ill effects at all from the fenugreek. I guess how you react to fenugreek depends on your individual body chemistry and the rest of your diet.

Fenugreek is immensely beneficial to your body and for your baby, too. It’s a “cooling” food, so if you’ve noticed yours or your LO’s head or body always feeling warm (not like a fever, but generally radiating heat even while perspiring etc) your body will be “cooled down” by the fenugreek. It’s summer now, and almost all of us are susceptable to getting overheated, so believe me, fenugreek can help!

In fact, if it’s a particularly hot day and you’ve spent too much time out in the sun, try applying about a cup of soaked, ground fenugreek seeds to your head. It’s incredibly cooling, you’ll notice it immediately. Simply rinse it off with water after 3-4 hours, or when it dries, whichever is later. Fenugreek is a great hair conditioner, too, you’ll notice your hair feeling very soft after this treatment. WARNING: DO NOT DO THIS FOR YOUR LO. Babies get *so* cooled down by the fenugreek-on-the-head treatment that they get nasal congestion and colds from it. If you must, use only a tablespoon instead of a whole cup, and wash it off after an hour instead of waiting for it to dry.

Hope this helps!

I thought this information was fascinating and answered a lot of questions. It’s also good to know that fenugreek doesn’t have to be cost prohibitive. One more note: I haven’t researched any of this information, I am just cutting and pasting with permission of the author. So if you’re having supply issues do your research and talk to a lactation consultant or doctor before taking any supplements.

Should breastfeeding continue when mom is sick

Monday, March 3rd, 2008

tissues.gifI saw a question on a message board where a mother with the flu asked if it was still safe to nurse her child, fearing that she’d pass on whatever illness she had to him.

Last winter, when Sam was still nursing regularly, I became ill with a stomach virus on two separate occasions. The first time I got it first and he didn’t get sick at all. At the time I attributed it to him receiving my anti-bodies through my breastmilk. I figured he was better able to fight the virus because he was nursing full time. The second time I got a virus he got it first and passed it to me. I definitely got the worst of it. He woke up in the middle of the night vomiting. He vomited three or four times then he was done. I wasn’t so lucky. I was ill for days starting the morning after he was sick, but he stayed well hydrated and calm because he was able to nurse. Again, I felt that he benefited from the breastmilk. If he’d been on formula he may not have fared so well.

Here’s what Kellymom has to say:

The best thing you can do for your baby when you’re sick is to continue to breastfeed. When you have a contagious illness such as a cold, flu, or other mild virus, your baby was exposed to the illness before you even knew you were sick. Your milk will not transmit your illness to baby, but it does have antibodies in it that are specific to your illness (plus anything else you or baby have been exposed to) - they’ll help prevent baby from getting sick, or if he does get sick, he’ll probably not be as sick as you.

Withholding your breastmilk during an illness increases the possibility that baby will get sick, and deprives baby of the comfort and superior nutrition of nursing.

You can also take measures to prevent baby from getting sick by doing the usual things to prevent the spread of illness: washing hands often, avoid sneezing/coughing on baby, limiting face-to-face contact, etc .

Breastfeeding Problems and Solutions

Monday, January 7th, 2008

nurse_1.jpgA woman on a message board I recently joined started a thread in the Breastfeeding Support forums asking what advice mothers who have successfully breastfed have for new moms. She was specifically looking for solutions to common problems that arise the first few weeks at home, like baby refusing to latch on, baby can’t latch on or suck, engorged breasts, clogged milk ducts and making enough milk. Here’s what I contributed.

Nursing sucks (no pun intended) the first few weeks. It’s normal to be sore and achy, but if it’s painful and your nipples are cracked or bleeding you must see a certified LC as soon as possible to get help with latch.

If baby won’t latch right away keep trying. Try putting sugar water on your nipples and let baby suck on your finger to practice. If baby still won’t latch after a few days you need to see a certified LC. Nipple shields can often help with latching.

Your milk may not come in right away. My milk didn’t come in for 5 days (but when it was in it didn’t stop!) It was scary because Sam was tiny and hungry, but we kept trying. When DS had lost a full pound (he was only 6 lbs 8 oz at birth so a pound was a lot!) we had to supplement with formula. If you have to supplement use a cup, dropper or syringe for feedings, not a bottle. It will help avoid early nipple confusion.

If you are especially sore on one breast look for what looks like a pimple. It may be red or it may look like a whitehead. It’s probably a clogged duct. Try and get baby to nurse on that side as much as possible with baby’s chin on the sore spot. It will hurt, but it will help get the duct clear.

If your breasts are especially sore and you’re achy and running a low (or high) fever, you may have mastitis. Call your doctor immediately- you may need antibiotics. Nursing often and regularly will hurt but make you feel better. If treated promptly it shouldn’t get too bad and you’ll recover quickly.

Newborns nurse constantly. When you hear that newborns eat every two hours they mean two hours from the start of each feeding. Logistically that means if you feed baby at 6 and baby nurses for 30 minutes on one side burps for 15 minutes then nurses for 20 minutes on the other finishing right after 7, be ready to feed baby again at 8. It is tiring and time consuming but it slows down.

Drink lots of water. More than you think is humanly possible. It will help with energy and milk production.

If you want to pump don’t expect too much at first. You may only get an ounce or two at each session. It’s normal and will probably increase over time. But don’t pump more to get more milk! The more you pump, the more you produce. You may send yourself into major milk overproduction. Just pump once or twice a day for 20 minutes. No more unless you’re replacing a nursing session with pumped milk. Nursing first thing in the morning will usually be the most productive time.

Co-sleeping helps you get more sleep and nurse through the night. But if it scares you or you like your space, don’t feel you have to.

Kelli wrote about her first few weeks of breastfeeding back when her daughter was born. Here’s Day 1 and 2.

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